eeeeeeep! Can you help me identify these hallmarks and the maker?

A lovely set circa 1930 ~ fish course knives and forks ~ help help help! I've been holding this set forever, trying to identify the maker.

The blades and tines are gold and the the bolsters and handles are silver. On one side of the Front Bolster, the marks look to be ~

a crescent moon

a lamb [?]

80S ... this last figure is difficult to determine because one of the grooves runs right through the final letter or number

On the opposite side, I cannot figure out what the mark is! It looks like little people posing to make the letters "S" and "N"

Any and all help and comments welcome!!

xo karen

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Permalink Reply by WhimsicalVintage on June 30, 2012 at 9:39am

This is definitely not my forte...but I'm always on the lookout for a good investigation:)

I did some searching this morning and kept coming up with Germany for the crescent moon hallmark. It was used post 1886 as a national mark (usually with a crown) to replace the individual city marks. The "80S" could it possibly be not an S but some kind of 800+ silver marking (also common on German pieces)

Here's the link for the German Hallmarks page (you probably already have this)

http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_a1884.html

and I would suggest maybe posting your pics to their forum...when it comes to silver, they're the crowd to go to:)

Hope this helps a little...I'll keep searching and keep you posted!

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Permalink Reply by WhimsicalVintage on June 30, 2012 at 9:50am

When I look at that "lamb" again, it could be 1/2 of the crown mark with the placement being on the grooves of the handle?...that would make sense as the typical German mark is the crescent moon with the crown to the right....I also think that "80S" is actually 800 with the last 0 worn?

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Permalink Reply by Le Petit Poulailler on June 30, 2012 at 10:15am

First of all, thank you for the starting point ~ I have that site but overlooked Louis Kuppenheim.

I think there is my match: 800, crescent, and crown on the one side indicates the German original and the silver content ... the "little people making letters" seem to be a match with Louis Kuppenheim. The timing is right for him, too ~ Art Deco, 1900-1940.

Thanks so much, darling ... helped a LOT! Sometimes you just need fresh eyes looking at things.

xo karen

P.S. ....heyyyyyyyyy, Freehold! Ocean Grove here! ♥