Hattie Carnegie Girl on A Carpet?

I need some help on this brooch.

I am sure it is an unmarked Hattie Carnegie from my research but all the others I find have different earrings.

Quite a few variations of this pin it seems.

This is unsigned.

Is there a book with this pin in it possibly or drawing?

Thanks. Sandy

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Permalink Reply by Graceful Antiques on November 29, 2011 at 2:45pm

The attachment photo shows the back.

Permalink Reply by ReVamping Vintage on November 29, 2011 at 2:50pm

Just a thought, but I think it's a copy or reproduction. I don't recall ever seeing a Carnegie that is unsigned.

The back doesn't look correct for Carnegie and it just appears kind of "rough" on the front.

Permalink Reply by Charmed Life on November 29, 2011 at 3:49pm

I'd have to go with CSV ... the back isn't what I'm used to seeing in Carnegie.

It is quite common for designers to be copied, and for the copy to appear on the street about the same time as the original appeared. There was quite a bit of industrial espionage going on in the vintage costume jewelry business back in the day ... stolen secrets. Employees who switched employers frequently ... and took design ideas with them.

Fascinating stories.

Permalink Reply by Graceful Antiques on November 29, 2011 at 4:04pm

Many unsigned pieces are by Hattie Carnegie. I am about 99.99 percent sure this is from time period from the source I picked it up from. Interesting about the employees. I will have to keep looking and not list it.

Thanks. Sandy

There is another one with name on RL presently almost like it.

Permalink Reply by ReVamping Vintage on November 29, 2011 at 4:07pm

But the keyword here is "almost".

Permalink Reply by Charmed Life on November 29, 2011 at 4:13pm

Here are some articles on Hattie Carnegie jewelry:

http://www.vintage-jewelry-guide.com/525/hattie-carnegie-jewelry

http://www.imageevent.com/thejewelryring/cowhattiecarnegie/

Keep in mind that Carnegie used "jobbers" for her jewelry, so her designs might appear with other names on them.

It is also my understanding that after about 1939, her pieces were all signed. If they weren't signed, they were copies.

Of course, I am often wrong.

Permalink Reply by Graceful Antiques on November 29, 2011 at 5:00pm

Companies such as Hattie Carnegie Inc. had to buy a number of pieces from wholesale jewelry companies to have their company logo or designer signature stamped upon the piece, so that is why a collector can locate a number of the same pieces or styles attributed to a specific designer or company.

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this is taken from your last link. Perhaps this would be the explanation.

Permalink Reply by ReVamping Vintage on November 29, 2011 at 5:03pm

I still stand by my opinion on the item and would really have a hard time listing this as Carnegie.

Instead of looking for reasons why it is, maybe look for reasons why it isn't to get a full picture.

Permalink Reply by Graceful Antiques on November 29, 2011 at 5:32pm

Huh? I am just trying to find out about it. I have at least 1200 more items to list so no biggie on this.

Why in the world would I list it as a Carnegie if I am still trying to find out if it is.

Thank you.

Permalink Reply by ReVamping Vintage on November 29, 2011 at 5:34pm

I do understand that. And I'm not saying you would. I'm just trying to help and give more views to the piece.

I didn't mean anything by my post, it's just a suggestion.

Permalink Reply by Suzy's Timeless Treasures on November 29, 2011 at 10:33pm

I am looking at the 'woman on a magic carpet' brooch by Hattie Carnegie in Georgia McCall's book on her life and jewelry. It looks exactly like the one currently on RL just different cab and rhinestone colors, the placement of 4 cabs on the carpet, the rhinestone border, the earrings, etc. are matches.

The one pictured here has 5 cabs in the carpet instead of 4 and no cabs in the crown, earrings are different and there is no rhinestone border on the carpet, so I would guess that this is a repro and not a Hattie Carnegie piece. It's still a wonderful brooch, I like the movement in the earrings, and the motif is 'magical'!

It's also noted in the book that later Carnegie pieces weren't always signed possibly referring to pieces made in the 1970s. Hope that helps!

Permalink Reply by Graceful Antiques on November 30, 2011 at 7:46am

I have so far found 3 variations of marked pieces of this brooch online.

Each a bit different. Goldtone, one with pearls etc.

http://www.jewelmuseum.com/pages/hc465.html

http://www.trifari.com/reflinks/hc349.html

The good thing is I believe a ring I picked up with this brooch may possibly be Carnegie and I remembered I do have some marked Carnegie earrings I need to list.

Thanks Suzy and all.